Austrian army backpack system

During the 80’s the Austrian army had a load carrying system that consistent of a large backpack that looked like a US army Alice Pack and a smaller bag that could be carried as a front pack or as a butt pack. Alternately the small bag could also be worn as a shoulder bag or a small backpack on it’s own. The bags are made from Nylon and usually carried in combination with a pistol belt.

The idea from a front pack was copied in later years by the Dutch army. They had a small duffle generally known as the Rotota bag or soldiers handbag. This was also attached to the shoulder straps of a backpack. However the Dutch used plastic fast release buckles while the Austrian pack system uses metal hooks. Another difference is that the Dutch front-pack is carried on the chest while the Austrian front-pack is carried on your waist in front of your genitals.

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The Austrian backpack and front-pack. Source: www.swisslink.com

The small pack is available with 2 straps to secure the cover lid and also with 3 straps. Perhaps one was intended as a butt-pack and the other as a front-pack.

 

As mentioned in the last video, the carrying straps are not the most comfortable. They are 6 cm wide. For a full size backpack this is quite a small area to spread out the load. Also the padding is not the softest. Since the carrying harness can easily we removed from it’s hooks it is also easy to attach other shoulder straps or a harness to the pack.

The pictures above are from the Austrian army Main pack mounted on the frame of a Swedish army LK35 rucksack frame. Source: www.bushcraft-deutschland.de Alternatively you can also use a frame of an old (wasted) 70’s or 80’s backpack that you can find in second hand shops and thrift-shops. Since the original Austrian army harness is removable by opening the hooks you won’t do any damage to the backpack or straps.

 

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The main backpack from the Austrian load carrying system. Source: www.keepshooting.com
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The Austrian ”Alice Pack” with original detachable shoulder straps. Source: www.raeer.com

More info:
www.tacticalgunreview.com
3 Surplus European Backpacks You’ve Probably Never Used – But Should

www.webbingbabel.blogspot.com

Available at:

Large backpack
www.keepshooting.com
www.armyworld.pl
www.global.rakuten.com
www.militarymart.co.uk
www.raeer.com (German website)
www.asmc.com
Small bag
www.swisslink.com
www.keepshooting.com
www.armyandoutdoors.co.nz
www.raeer.com (German website)
Total system
www.swisslink.com
www.gunnyssurplus.com
www.valhallasurplus.ecrater.com
www.herooutdoors.com
www.blacklandprairiesurvival.com
www.sportsmansguide.com
www.raeer.com (German website)
www.militarycollectibles4u.nl (Dutch website)

Army bags for sale

The following bags are for sale. If you have any questions please contact us through  Facebook Messenger or fill in the contact form at the end of this page.

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Thai Army backpack (Modern version of the ARVN Rucksack)

The US Army supplied the Army of the Republic South Vietnam with a backpack that was the precursor of the modern Alice Pack and Tropical Rucksack. This simple but effective model is still being used by the Thai Army. However not from canvas but from Nylon with a special water-repellent coating on the inside and in a modern camouflage pattern. The original ARVN backpack had a metal X frame on the inside, this backpack comes without such a frame.

€20,00

 

Dutch army daypack DPM woodland camoflage

Nice second hand backpack with the camouflage still bright. Backpack shoulder straps are adjustable and filled with soft foam. The bag comes with a extra pouch connected to the front. This pouch is made of coated polyurethane and in the same DPM camouflage.

€35,00

Dutch Army daypack dessert camoflage

Very hard to find version of the Dutch Army daypack. One of the inside seperation walls is removed so that the bag has one big storage compartment and one laptop / document compartment. Backpack shoulder straps are adjustable and filled with soft foam. The bag has some minor dirt marks on top. Luckily this blends in with the camouflage pattern.

€35,00

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Dutch Army daypack Olive green

Dutch Army backpack used by the Dutch Airforce. Waterproof coating inside the bag. Attaching clips on the shoulder straps for a Rotota bag to be worn in front of you. Backpack shoulder straps are adjustable and filled with soft foam. Very hard to find version of the Dutch army daypack.

€40,00

Mil-Tec asault backpack (US Army model)

Top notch backpack from the German manufacturer Mil-Tec. Very solid fabric and water proof rubber coating inside. Strong solid double zippers. Many pockets inside and outside the bag. Molle attachment points for side packs or a field canteen. Hip belts can be removed from its buckles. The bag can be compressed with straps on the sides. Used product but still in almost new condition.

€30,00

Dutch army medic bag (M3 Model)

Bag is made of heavy duty rubber like material. The zippers are protected by a waterproof cover lid. Can act as a toiletries bag or shoulder bag. Has two D-rings for attaching a shoulder strap. Original army issue.

€20,00

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0-2 Kg parcel inside the EU

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€11,00

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€19,00

0 – 2 Kg parcel to the USA

Shipping to the USA and many other countries is possible. Please feel free to contact us.

€24,00

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US Army style duffel bag for traveling

Soldiers in the army have usually something like a kit-bag, see sack, weekend bag or duffel bag. This not to use in the combat field but to take all their clothing and gear from army base to army base or from their barracks to home during weekends. These bags are usually very simple. In case of a duffel bag it is usually a one compartment bag with rings and a clip to close it instead of zippers. Most duffel bags have just one strap to throw over your shoulders. The US army duffel bag however is one of the few designs with two straps so that it can be worn as a (improvised) backpack. To improve the possibility of carrying the duffel bag as a backpack the bag has a rectangular shape instead of a cylindrical shape. A round shape will flip sidewards all the time when you have it on your back. A flat shape will be much more stable.

US army (style) duffle

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Dutch army daypack

The Dutch army daypack aka KL daypack or KLU daypack is a small backpack but equipped with foam-padded shoulder straps like it is a full size backpack. The bag has a main compartment with an internal divider and two side pockets. The weigh is about 1,15 kg and measurements are 45 x 28 x 18cm for the main compartment and 7 x 15 x 25 cm for each of the side pockets. This gives the backpack a total volume of 28 liters. However, on online army shops and second hand trading websites the volume is very often stated as 35 liters. The outside contains two attaching belts for extra equipment like a water bottle or first aid pouch. These items can be attached with alice-clips, but also the old Dutch/British webbing system hooks.  This backpack was made during the 90’s in 3 colours; Woodland (Dutch DPM), Dessert (Dutch CDU) and olive green. The olive green one was only issued to the Dutch Airforce (KLU) and therefore harder to find nowadays. Big advantage of this last one is that the camouflage pattern will not fade out after years of usage. Also the colour is more neutral and suitable for urban traveling.

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Olive green edition (Dutch Airforce) of the Dutch army daypack. Source: www.armyworld.pl

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Great travel item: US army patients effects bag

Some military surplus items are perfect for travellers; light weight, not to expensive, still available from unused stock and many different ways to use them. The US army patients effects bag is such an item.

When wounded soldiers were taken to a (field) hospital, staff placed an injured soldier’s personal belongings such as wedding rings, watches, glasses or letters in these bags. Each bag has two drawstrings on top and a gusseted bottom to stand upright when full. Inside the bag is a rubberised pocket to separate items. On the outside of the US GI personal effects bags is a small white square where the soldier’s name would be written. Another version which is not so common is meant for dead soldiers and has a label which much more details to be filled in. Among the details; Killed in action. Measuring 12 inches tall and 15 inches wide, these cloth bags make perfect toiletry bags, laundry bags, or other small item bags for campers, Scouts or travellers.

 

Available at:
www.global.rakuten.com
www.hobbyswoodmilitaria.co.uk
www.colemans.com
www.go-armynavy.com
www.mooremilitaria.com
www.sportsmansguide.com This is the not so often seen bag for deceased military personal instead of the wounded one.

French army F1 backpack

The French army F1 backpack was in use till the mid 90s. Nowadays you can still find them in many (online) army surplus shops. Main reason for that is because they are extremely durable and made out of tough heavy duty materials. This backpack is super strong and won’t disappoint you.

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The French Army F1 backpack can be extended with a chimney. That’s why the closing straps are extra long. Source: www.global.rakuten.com

The French army F1 backpack is compared to a modern lightweight backpack a bit heavy (2,2 Kg) and a bit uncomfortable. Actually it is more a very luxury duffel bag. For example; it doesn’t have side pockets and it has grip handles on both sides. Besides that you can also wear it on your back.

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The (British army) Rucksack Other Arms vs The Osprey Porter

The Rucksack Other Arms from the British army and the Osprey Porter are both “single” compartment backpacks where you can hide the shoulder straps. This allows you to use it as a hand carrying bag. Both the backpacks are not very high compared to their width.

If you spend most of your time carrying your luggage at your back when hiking or going to the woods and mountains, then a real backpack is most suitable. If your backpack spends most of its time in a luggage compartment of a bus, train, air-plane, mini van, taxi etc. then a single compartment bag with no extra straps or side pockets is more suitable. This setup comes close to a suitcase that you carry on your back.

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(Dutch) foldable wash bucket

When you are traveling you need to wash your clothes sooner or later. Luckily you can find many laundry services in Thailand. They will wash and dry your dirty clothes for 40 to 200 Thai Bath. But sometimes you just want to wash one or two items or you just stay one night in a place. Then it is an option to do a quick hand wash in a bucket or in the bathroom sink. For these situations it is super handy to have your own small rubber bucket with you. It is light and it doesn’t take much space in your suitcase or backpack. In case you don’t have soap with you you can always buy some in a small package at the 7-Eleven. Or you can off course use some shampoo or shower gel.

 

The Dutch / Belgian military rubber bowl will stand right up by the pressure of the water what is inside. The bowl isn’t that big (approx 4 litre) but it is large enough for a T-shirt, a pair of socks, some underwear and a short. Just let your laundry soak in the water with soap for a few hours and then wash the soap out of the laundry under running water from the tap.

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Polish army backpack

The Polish WZ89 army backpack (aka Frog or Puma camouflage) is a cheap and simple backpack. Just a big sack with two straps on it. It was in use in the Polish army from 1989 and until 1993. The typical camouflage pattern is called the Zába Pattern, which in polish for Frog. On military surplus store websites it is also called the Polish Puma camouflage pattern. In Germany this camouflage pattern is often referred as Pumatarn.

The bottom is protected with a rubber (PVC) coating. So when you place your bag in a small puddle of water or in some wet grass not all your stuff is totally soaked. For a better protection it is wise to use a big plastic bag inside the backpack itself since the fabric is very thin and not very water resistant. In military surplus stores you can also buy special water resistant laundry bags.

The top side of the pack has two drawstrings, one on the very top and one a bit lower down the body. The lower drawstring allows for loading to regular capacity, similar to a normal rucksack. The top drawstring allows you to expand (overload) the pack to the size of a big backpack. Keep in mind that there is no padding on the shoulder straps. So if you you load up on weight it’s going to cut into your shoulders and may hurt. The big top flap can be closed in two different heights; two triglides on the bottom or two triglides half way the pack.

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Source: www.varusteleka.com

The rucksack is constructed of very flexible material and doesn’t have a rigid frame. This simple construction gives very little wearing comfort. However this also makes it ideal for packing and compressing your luggage down to a small package and in the same time it also allows you to expand the bag to carry a much larger load. It is also possible to fold the bag down and take it with you as an extra bag in your main luggage. Since the weight of the pack is only 0,75 Kg it is not that much extra.

Other comparable designs.
There is also an improved version of this backpack with a different camouflage pattern (WZ93 Pantera) and stronger materials. The M93 Pantera camouflage backpack. The fabric of the M93 backpack is waterproof and the name tag is stronger and equipped with a better plastic window.

The much bigger and heavier French F1 65 liter military backpack might have been the inspiration for this design. That bag is also more like a duffel bag, comes also with a rubberized bottom, and is also closable at two different heights. But that bag is made of much heavier canvas and the rubber is thicker and comes higher from the ground. This makes the weight of this pack going up to 2,15 Kg. The backside of the pack has a padded back support in a triangle form, the shoulder straps are padded and the pack has a simple belt to let the weight rest at your hips. These features makes this backpack / duffel bag quite comfortable to wear. More info in this special blog about the French army F1 backpack.

Many people regard a soft backpack without any back support or padded shoulder straps as a ridiculous idea and the worst design ever. However the famous (military) backpack company Berghaus made a similar backpack The Berghaus MMPS Grab Bag. This bag has also one main compartment without side pouches. Only the cover lid is a little more sophisticated with a pouch behind a zipper and some webbing for attaching extra gear. This bag is also meant as an extra light weight bag that you can take with you in your main luggage.

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Background information:
www.webbingbabel.blogspot.nl
www.outdoorin.blogspot.nl
www.surplusmania.weebly.com
www.tacticalgunreview.com: 3 Surplus European Backpacks You’ve Probably Never Used – But Should

WZ89 Polish army backpack frog (Puma) camouflage in military surplus store:
www.militarymart.co.uk
www.kommandostore.com
www.swisslink.com
www.varusteleka.com
www.raeer.com German army shop
www.anchorsupplies.com British army surplus shop
www.armyworld.pl Polish military shop

M93 woodland camo in military surplus store:
www.majorsurplus.com
www.keepshooting.com
www.militaria4you.com (Dutch genuine army shop)
www.sportsmansguide.com (American outdoor shop)
www.armyworld.pl (Polish military shop)
www.army-surplus.cz (Czech military shop)